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Bush 'Troubled' by Gay Marriage Issue
By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) said Wednesday he was troubled by gay weddings in San Francisco and by legal decisions in Massachusetts that could clear the way for same-sex marriage. He declined to say whether he was close to backing a constitutional ban.

"I have watched carefully what's happening in San Francisco, where licenses were being issued, even though the law states otherwise," Bush said. "I have consistently stated that I'll support law to protect marriage between a man and a woman. Obviously these events are influencing my decision."

He didn't answer directly when asked whether he is any closer to endorsing a constitutional ban on same-sex marriages, as conservative groups say the White House has assured them Bush will do.

"I strongly believe marriage should be defined as between a man and a woman," Bush said during an Oval Office session with Tunisian President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali. "I am troubled by activist judges who are defining marriage."

"People need to be involved in this decision," Bush said. "Marriage ought to be defined by the people not by the courts. And I'm watching it carefully."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Bush recognized that gay marriage is a divisive topic. But, he said, "This is an issue where he believes it is important for people to stand up on principle."

Gay and lesbian couples from Europe and more than 20 states have lined up outside the ornate San Francisco City Hall since city officials decided to begin marrying same-sex couples six days ago. City officials said 172 couples were married Tuesday, a pace that would bring the total number who have taken vows promising to be "spouses for life" to over 3,000 by Friday.

The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court recently ruled that it is unconstitutional to bar gay couples from marriage. Under the decision, the nation's first legally sanctioned gay marriages are scheduled to begin in mid-May.

Lawmakers are proposing a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as a union between one man and one woman, and the Legislature resumes its deliberations of amendments on March 11.
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Does that mean that if a state referendum passed allowing gays to marry that President Bush would support it. After all, he says "marriage ought to be defined by the people". Or is only special people that get to define?
 

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My guess is that it'll be okay for Dick Cheney's daughter and all other gays are SOL. Cause that's how this admin leads: "Do as I say not as I do".
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D2bets:
Bush 'Troubled' by Gay Marriage Issue
By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer

"People need to be involved in this decision," Bush said. _"Marriage ought to be defined by the people not by the courts._ And I'm watching it carefully."


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Does that mean that if a state referendum passed allowing gays to marry that President Bush would support it. After all, he says "marriage ought to be defined by the people". Or is only special people that get to define?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

D2, no wonder why you whine so much about Bush's speaking style. You can't understand him when he speaks "Texan", and you can't seem to understand him when he speaks in clear sentences. "Marriage ought to be defined by the people, not the courts" isn't a very complicated argument. Do you really have a problem comprehending his point?

He has been consistent on this issue from the beginning. Bush didn't say much regarding Vermont's civil union law other than say it was a state issue. Maybe if you quit hating so much and did your own research you would be able to answer your own questions before embarrassing yourself on here.
 

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I'm a little 'troubled' by it too.
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If marriage ought to be defined by the people and not the courts, then why would pass the responsibility on to the Constitution?? Have a referendum if it's pure democracy you want.

If there is an afterlife, I hope Bush lands square in the middle of a flaming disco, complete with an Abba cd that skips, Singapore Slings, and queers in little black leather thongs.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shotgun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D2bets:
Bush 'Troubled' by Gay Marriage Issue
By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer

"People need to be involved in this decision," Bush said. _"Marriage ought to be defined by the people not by the courts._ And I'm watching it carefully."


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Does that mean that if a state referendum passed allowing gays to marry that President Bush would support it. After all, he says "marriage ought to be defined by the people". Or is only special people that get to define?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

D2, no wonder why you whine so much about Bush's speaking style. You can't understand him when he speaks "Texan", and you can't seem to understand him when he speaks in clear sentences. "Marriage ought to be defined by the people, not the courts" isn't a very complicated argument. Do you really have a problem comprehending his point?

He has been consistent on this issue from the beginning. Bush didn't say much regarding Vermont's civil union law other than say it was a state issue. Maybe if you quit hating so much and did your own research you would be able to answer your own questions before embarrassing yourself on here.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think I understood what he said, I just don't think he meant what he said. Like xpanda said, if he wants the people to decide then he'd be in favor of referendums on the issue and not a Constitutional amendment. I just want to know if a state has a referendum voting for gay marriage, not just civil unions, then will he support that or will he seek a const amendment to overturn the people's will.
 

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I think gays should be allowed to formally form some sort of "lifetime partner" status but it definitely shouldn't take place in a church and shouldn't be called marriage.
 

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I don't think any government's gay marriage laws call for churches to be complicit. Gay marriage was recently (finally) awarded legal status here, but churches can do what they like with the issue. That's why we have a separation of church and state, after all.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think gays should be allowed to formally form some sort of "lifetime partner" status but it definitely shouldn't take place in a church and shouldn't be called marriage<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nor should deviant behavior be sanctioned and funded by my tax money.

Sanction gay marriage=

nothing more than the usual failed great liberal experiment.

just make more folks eligible to be on the gov't dole.

gay marriage is an oxymoron that thanks to the liberal scum is now an accepted term in the american langauge.
 

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Why is it "deviant behavior", because you say so? Because the church says so? I didn't think us conservatives wanted the government deciding what behaviors are to be promoted or not promoted.
 
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Hey D2,

goto dictionary.com and look up the meaning of the word.

since you obviously have not clue one what the standard definition is.

think it normal for a man to stick his penis in another man's a s s?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I didn't think us conservatives wanted the government deciding what behaviors are to be promoted or not promoted<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Personally I could care less what someone does in their own bedroom, I do not feel threatened by the "gaying" of america and the popularity of shows like QueerEye/StraightGuy. The problem lies in perverting the gov't intentions and therefore outlays to include those not meant to be included. They were not meant to be included because at the time the various tax codes, insurance codes et al were enacted for what most consider tradional marriages. If you want inclusion don't pervert the institution of marriage.

[This message was edited by Sodium Pentethol V on February 19, 2004 at 02:05 PM.]
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sodium Pentethol V:
Hey D2,

goto dictionary.com and look up the meaning of the word.

since you obviously have not clue one what the standard definition is.
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deviant
adj : markedly different from an accepted norm; "aberrent behavior"; deviant ideas" [syn: aberrant] n : a person whose behavior deviates from what is acceptable especially in sexual behavior [syn: pervert, deviate, degenerate]
Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

I believe that it accepted that some people are just gay. Period. It is not deviant for them and it is not a disease. I think in fact the medical book of diseases has taken this position in recent years.
 
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It is not "normal" behaviour by any definition of normal, therefore it is deviant.

According to your perspective any sexual activity could never be considered deviant.

Some people are just pedophiles etc....
 

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Pedophiles are deviant because the law doesn't consider children mentally capable of determining right and wrong so when an adult does something with a child that isn't a consenting act. What two adults choose to do together isn't any of our business. This argument just shows more and more that our tradition of separation of church and state is being badly compromised. If we want a religious based state, lets be honest and say so. If we cherish our tolerance and traditions we shouldn't be branded as people in favor of "deviant behavior".
 
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And sodomy is against the law in many jurisdictions, so what?

I don't really give a shit what two adults wish to do either until they start infringing on my rights to live in a normal world.

For 6000 years marriage is union of man and wife. I think the normal has been pretty clearly denoted.


I dont know why you feel a need to bring the church into this, humanity has defined normal as man and woman since the beginning of time.

It is as deviant a behavior as having sex with animals.
 

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SP,not true.Homosexuality has been accepted behavior in many cultures.Most notably the Roman and Greek cultures.
 

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Recently scientific studies have shown that homosexulaity is quite common in nature among animal species other than humans. I don't think homosexuality qualifies as 'deviant' behaviour.

But why do people care about this? Live and let live. If a homosexual couple want to get married why is it anybody's business but theirs? I would let them get married and wish them all the happiness in the world. There are so many issues so much more important than this.
 

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